For me what the main question is that what do these fossil fuel companies want out of events like this? Friendly policy towards their product to help it in the marketplace against competition like renewables, by using voters to support that policy.
But you can't claim your product is inherently "affordable" while also pushing for policy to give it help against competition.
And I think this is something that frustrates me a bit about the climate movement which is sometimes too strong with the "there is no market solution to the climate problem" framing. I understand and sympathize with that position just by knowing history of energy markets, but I think it is more persuasive to amplify really how much fossil fuel companies really on tax breaks, or very low royalty fees to the DOI, or all the other friendly provisions in law and elsewhere that I think a lot of people wouldn't think of as the "market". Because the perspective I get from some, is that they see things like the IRA as government spending, which it is, but not all the tax breaks fossil fuel companies get as government spending, which it also is. And I believe fossil fuel companies really rely on that disconnect. Just something I have tried to amplify.
The FF industry is very successfully fracturing what should be a progressive/environmental coalition.
But to me the responses by the activists quoted here illustrate one reason they are succeeding. Mostly I read EJ/CJ platitudes which don't address a reasonable point. Burning methane gas is pretty cheap heat (most places, most years) if you do it even modestly efficiently. Its GHG pollution is mostly invisible so it looks "clean" compared to, say, that from diesel trucks.
Where are the responses from some POC about the low utility costs of their community's new heat pump heated Passivhaus LMI apartment in upstate NY or IL? Trot out Donnel Baird to talk about his experiences and BlocPower retrofitting apartments all over the country. And so on. The activists should be talking about black builders and makers; folks you would trust to keep you warm in the winter.
Also, the EJ/CJ activist response seems heavy on "FFs are killing my people," and light on "Hey methane gas (burnt, vented and leaked) causes about a third of America's global warming pollution." I know there are some good reasons to focus on the former, but a bunch of the former can be fixed while we still burn gas. The latter always happens when we burn gas.
Around here the gas biz targets Hispanics. A memorable placard inside my valley bus claimed, if my rudimentary Spanish didn't fail me, something like "Without gas in your home, your aunt will won't be able to make you a fresh tortilla." I was just in NM, and the anti-energy transition propaganda was targeting the New Age purity types... "OMG, EMFs, battery chemies..."
We already have advertising which lies about fossil fuels. This stage of infomercials makes sense including reaching out to create Astro turf groups to muddy the water. The Kochs have been doing it for decades and have extended it through ALEC to short circuit public policy. It’s good to see the NAACP hold the fort, however I don’t see them on this issue at my local NAACP. We have to change our local governments to take the climate crisis seriously and transition now despite the industries buying their inattentive policy making.
Yep…This is another example of how these left wing woke Marxist groups add victim-hood and identity politics to everything, and in this case confused themselves with there own brilliance.
Sometimes the truth just comes through..
Fossil fuels are the only main solution to provide energy and prosperity, and messing with the providers of this essential resource is foolish and should be a crime.
Its now clear that CO2 is not only not a pollutant, and not the driver of a naturally warming planet, but its increase is a benefit to our food supply.
I firmly believe you are a logical and virtuous individual but are misinformed.
I would suggest you listen to this interview with Seven Koonin.
In this interview he 100% describes the position I subscribe too.
I believe he is on the side of truth in this interview, and in his book, as he only quotes from the facts from the IPCC report, and he then describes the mischief that occurs when it is translated into a UN political brief... I would be interested in where exactly you find a logic to disagree.
If you wont listen due to political and religious prejudice … then there is no hope for you in the world of science. I have met Koonin many times at Clintel zoom sessions and he is great scientist.
Hot or Not: Steven Koonin Questions Conventional Climate Science and Methodology| Uncommon Knowledge (youtube.com)
For me what the main question is that what do these fossil fuel companies want out of events like this? Friendly policy towards their product to help it in the marketplace against competition like renewables, by using voters to support that policy.
But you can't claim your product is inherently "affordable" while also pushing for policy to give it help against competition.
And I think this is something that frustrates me a bit about the climate movement which is sometimes too strong with the "there is no market solution to the climate problem" framing. I understand and sympathize with that position just by knowing history of energy markets, but I think it is more persuasive to amplify really how much fossil fuel companies really on tax breaks, or very low royalty fees to the DOI, or all the other friendly provisions in law and elsewhere that I think a lot of people wouldn't think of as the "market". Because the perspective I get from some, is that they see things like the IRA as government spending, which it is, but not all the tax breaks fossil fuel companies get as government spending, which it also is. And I believe fossil fuel companies really rely on that disconnect. Just something I have tried to amplify.
Really excellent reporting here!
Love the bullet points at the end too!
The FF industry is very successfully fracturing what should be a progressive/environmental coalition.
But to me the responses by the activists quoted here illustrate one reason they are succeeding. Mostly I read EJ/CJ platitudes which don't address a reasonable point. Burning methane gas is pretty cheap heat (most places, most years) if you do it even modestly efficiently. Its GHG pollution is mostly invisible so it looks "clean" compared to, say, that from diesel trucks.
Where are the responses from some POC about the low utility costs of their community's new heat pump heated Passivhaus LMI apartment in upstate NY or IL? Trot out Donnel Baird to talk about his experiences and BlocPower retrofitting apartments all over the country. And so on. The activists should be talking about black builders and makers; folks you would trust to keep you warm in the winter.
Also, the EJ/CJ activist response seems heavy on "FFs are killing my people," and light on "Hey methane gas (burnt, vented and leaked) causes about a third of America's global warming pollution." I know there are some good reasons to focus on the former, but a bunch of the former can be fixed while we still burn gas. The latter always happens when we burn gas.
Around here the gas biz targets Hispanics. A memorable placard inside my valley bus claimed, if my rudimentary Spanish didn't fail me, something like "Without gas in your home, your aunt will won't be able to make you a fresh tortilla." I was just in NM, and the anti-energy transition propaganda was targeting the New Age purity types... "OMG, EMFs, battery chemies..."
We already have advertising which lies about fossil fuels. This stage of infomercials makes sense including reaching out to create Astro turf groups to muddy the water. The Kochs have been doing it for decades and have extended it through ALEC to short circuit public policy. It’s good to see the NAACP hold the fort, however I don’t see them on this issue at my local NAACP. We have to change our local governments to take the climate crisis seriously and transition now despite the industries buying their inattentive policy making.
Yep…This is another example of how these left wing woke Marxist groups add victim-hood and identity politics to everything, and in this case confused themselves with there own brilliance.
Sometimes the truth just comes through..
Fossil fuels are the only main solution to provide energy and prosperity, and messing with the providers of this essential resource is foolish and should be a crime.
Its now clear that CO2 is not only not a pollutant, and not the driver of a naturally warming planet, but its increase is a benefit to our food supply.
Its time to talk facts rather than fiction.
John
Last chance..
I firmly believe you are a logical and virtuous individual but are misinformed.
I would suggest you listen to this interview with Seven Koonin.
In this interview he 100% describes the position I subscribe too.
I believe he is on the side of truth in this interview, and in his book, as he only quotes from the facts from the IPCC report, and he then describes the mischief that occurs when it is translated into a UN political brief... I would be interested in where exactly you find a logic to disagree.
If you wont listen due to political and religious prejudice … then there is no hope for you in the world of science. I have met Koonin many times at Clintel zoom sessions and he is great scientist.
Hot or Not: Steven Koonin Questions Conventional Climate Science and Methodology| Uncommon Knowledge (youtube.com)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l90FpjPGLBE