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Frederick Hewett's avatar

Zeldin is quoted in a New York Times article saying, “I’m not sold yet on the whole argument that we have as serious a problem as other people are.” This is a newer rhetoric on the right that we need to be ready to counter. Mandy Gunasekara, who worked in EPA during Trump 1 and who will have a key position again, was quoted on NPR saying she believes climate change will be "mild and manageable." They don't deny climate change; they just dismiss its significance.

Separately, I totally agree that the climate movement needs to focus on "regular-ass" people. We need to drop phrases like "our grandchildren's future" and "save the planet." We need to talk about the health effects of burning fossil fuels, the cost of disaster relief, the need for costly resilient infrastructure, higher heating and cooling bills, much higher insurance costs (if you can get insurance at all), and the consequences of letting China dominate green technology. People can relate to those kind of things. I also believe that being anti-science is fundamentally un-American, but that's another discussion.

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Yes people should have been motivated by the IRA and they weren't either because of messaging issues(which I don't really believe was the problem) or just outright propaganda from the right.

Brett Hartl is objectively wrong and yeah I'm also going to say he should obviously know better as someone in his position. We did exactly what he wanted. A broad based climate bill including everyone in the coalition, bringing everyone along in the energy transition. But because it didn't have the obvious electoral benefit, suddenly we have to pretend none of that actually happened.

It did. The evidence is clearly obvious and not one of these people has so far backed up their claims with any evidence. Just simple google searches prove this.

"Between August 2022 and July 2023 alone, 272 new clean energy projects were announced in 44 states. These will generate more than 170,000 new jobs in small towns and big cities alike with Michigan, Georgia, South Carolina, California and Texas leading the way."

https://www.wri.org/insights/inflation-reduction-act-anniversary-manufacturing-resurgence

There is absolutely no way to reconcile the fact that Trump presidency, with the possibility of 4 billion more tons of emissions by repealing the IRA etc, and the idea the IRA was just some minor law that only went to solar company owners. No the threat of Trump is precisely because the IRA was a monumental law that created a clean energy manufacturing renaissance, which hires people at good wages and union opportunities

I know exactly what it is I helped accomplish on climate during Biden's presidency and it's not my fault that people like Brett can't contemplate they might be wrong on the electorate response and instead would rather disregard what I helped achieve.

We have answered the core question. What he wants is what the Biden admin already was on economic policy, prioritizing workers in a clean energy transition and elsewhere. I am just so tired of these takes that fundamentally refuse to engage with what clearly happened over the past 4 years, just to maintain some personal idealist view of the electorate.

This tweet sums up my views and I'm too tired and angry for anything else right now. Sorry.

"I live in WV and the state has been showered with funding and there are factories popping up everywhere and the state has 1b surplus and dems defended pensions and black lung funding and they voted 70% for Trump so shut the fuck up"

https://x.com/Johngcole/status/1854294540162568494

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